A Reminder the Theory of a “Femdom Ratio” Is Still Garbage

The “Femdom Ratio” 
Is Still A Garbage Discussion

Not all sub men. Not all single, lonely sub men. But sure as the seasons shift through the front end of summer into the sultry, soup-warm of August, some chucklefuck is back at it in an online kink space whining we don’t give the Ratio of Dommes to Subs enough attention because it has specifically ruined his life. There are not enough dommes to go around. Someone has failed to bring enough for the class. Lamentations ensue.

Of course, I am aware of giving some dude on the internet too much credit. Rebutting can also be a sort of endorsement, and platforming the lunatic fringe even to mock them can be a form of amplification. But inversely, the fact that I remember even if the last couple of years the discourse has shifted and I can trust folks to push back on this line of thinking, and we got that way by questioning the resulting assumptions, so I am using a random post on a forum to remind you that Femdom Ratio is incel logic for sub men and bad for men, women and everyone else.

Ratio theory, about the distribution of dommes always goes awful places really fast.

For example, this particular guy’s spin on “The Ratio” is that femdom is inherently abusive because male subs cannot meaningfully consent when having boundaries could get them eliminated from Having A Domme. Any domme. According to him, a sub must concede to whatever,  or it’s a lifetime of loneliness, because no matter how atrocious a given woman is, a man needs a woman who will play out an approximation of his kinks. Were there one domme for every sub man who wants one, he reasons, his desire for one would not be at odds with what is available to him he would not consent to stuff he thought was terrible and bad for him just to try it.

If you are a long term blog reader you can already smell the self harming sexism from here. But, I reiterate:

The “Ratio” is bullshit because men (and it always seems to be straight men, queer discourse on top shortage tends to listen to the switches and blame the objectification of tops for pushing them to hide) who fixate on it don’t see women as people, but a means to provide a service they desperately want. They define a domme as any woman who will, for whatever reason, tolerate being fetishized and doing what they crave to them. They do not define dominance on our terms (as dommes), or imagine that we exist for any reason other than to be matched with a man. If they can find women who do that, the complaint escalates to either that said dominant women are not hot enough and this isn’t fair because if they weren’t kinky they could get a hot chick, and not pander to us stuck up hags. Or they get mad sexwork exists. Just exists, as if that alone were a crime against them they were forced to engage with.

It’s never about anything other than his belief he is entitled to a partner on his terms alone.

After 10+ years of terminally online discussion, when someone drags in “Ratio” as an argument, it isn’t going to be a nuanced take on the double barreled stigmatization of male weakness and female sexual exploration, it’s going to be hot torrents of incel garbage. No ratio-cel comes into this talking about what a pity it is that women don’t get to know such pleasure as domination because of broader social forces, they fixate on that they are lonely. Then they imagine that somehow they are a surplus, but that women are easily paired up with whatever it is they imagine they want, often also bringing gender reductive bullshit about how we just aren’t wired to be dominant, boohoo isn’t that hard on subs. 

If a Ratio was real in the sense these men imagine, since the genders seem to be approximate parity, this would mean a percentage of women were also mismatched. However, since Ratio Theory is built on sexism, these women aren’t discussed or imagined to suffer to an equal degree. If it were true that women were either more inherently submissive (or vanilla) there would be a similar ratio of unmatched women condemned to similar singleness and thus equally pitiable. Ratio-cels have no such solidarity. 

And, adding insult to injury, ratio-cels also imagine the torrent of sexual harassment women deal with is “plenty of subs will do anything to have you”, a tone deaf piece of sexism on par to if we told subs there was always the Kik scammers ready to blackmail them, so really they were rolling in opportunity. Likewise, there’s a nuanced discussion on how the male gaze pandering in being able to buy services and content isn’t always a blessing because the market still makes blanket assumptions about men that can feel very pigeonholing, but no… to a ratio-cel the biggest problem is they want the porn-but-make-it-free.

Further, as others have pointed out repeatedly, other populations deal with ostensible ratios, like the limited percentage of folks who are sapphic versus straight, and don’t turn this into a neo-Marxist argument about how women secretly own the means of male sub orgasm production. The Ratio (TM) as its proponents describe it is where they decide any woman who will embody their fetish has disproportionate power over them because… Reasons. Where the reasons are always that they are desperately trying to reap the usual incel style idea that you will get one Devoted Wife for showing up while meeting the minimum threshold, and that something has broken in society failing to give that to you. 

The problem doesn’t stop there.

If it weren’t enough that they were just ambiently sexist, ratio-cels *also* end up pushing dommes out of any community they lodge in, since the desperate demand for a lady to metaphorically hump the leg of kills any other conversation – which actively increases the very problem they are complaining about. Dommes won’t stay in large numbers in communities where the primary focus is our ability to be found and made to gratify subs. The wall of misery posting also sets the tone for any sub joining, because their introduction to how things work becomes a wall of “Where is MOMMY??”  Anxiety about potential rejection gets stoked in a sort of socal rummunition, where any problem that might exist gets reframed as the desperate need to have a domme now.

Ironically, you get where we started, dudes being taught by other dudes to unicorn chase, to lower their standards even as they inflate what they expect a domme to be capable of adding to their life. Conversations about reciprocity or “sub skill” or sub-on-sub mentorship are deprioritized over the conflation of what is fetishized with the whole people doing it. Everyone, the subs, the dommes and the community they might interact in, becomes poorer for it.

But any discussion about this behaviour gets derailed by trying to be sympathetic to single dudes because they are suffering. Unfortunately, as per vanilla incels cloaking themselves in how vulnerable they feel to be lonely, that’s how they get a wedge that makes them seem less toxic.  In our desire to be supportive, we forget the fact that people who behave like misogynists don’t get a pass for having pain. The same goes that you have to be ruthless and at the wiff of anything arguing that “dommes have unfair power because they are rare” or men claiming their lives are ruined because they can’t get a domme-wife have to be excised immediately because the conversation gets so poisoned by bad faith possessive/controlling nonsense around dommes as panaceas and public resources that anything useful gets lost in the harm done.

8 thoughts on “A Reminder the Theory of a “Femdom Ratio” Is Still Garbage”

  1. Spot on, Miss Pearl, as usual. There are more dominant women today than ever. In my experience, they were never as scarce as some insisted on believing. The true scarcity has been men who claim they want to submit to a dominant woman with no clue how to approach a dominant woman with proper respect. Weirdly, most men wouldn’t think of approaching a vanilla woman they do not know well if at all and immediately spew forth a list of all the sexual acts that turn them on and that they want her to accommodate. Yet too many fetichise femdoms, expecting any woman open to kink to indulge whatever pathetic fetish or fantasy they feel like boring them to death with, as if when a man is kinky, a woman interested in kink has some kind of duty to accommodate that. Yeah, nah. It doesn’t really work that way.

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    • I often see the topic of sub/domme ratios brought up in ways I find reductive. The issue tends to get oversimplified, stifling meaningful dialogue. I think we need more nuance.

      Yes, some male subs discuss the ratio in problematic, entitled ways. Their personal frustrations lead them to generalize all dommes unfairly. This sexist minority poisons the discussion for everyone.

      However, invalidating all ratio talk as “incel logic” goes too far. Many subs come from a place of loneliness and desire for human connection. Dismissing real feelings prevents understanding.

      The ratios do skew male in public kink/femdom spaces, surveys confirm this. But the imbalance differs based on region and community. Blanket assumptions about all areas being identical are flawed.

      Of course women face stigma around openly exploring kink, especially domination. Gender norms play a role. But reducing all subs to entitled objectifiers ignores complex motivations as well.

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      • The point of my post was that conversations about “The Ratio” treat women as a public resource to be evenly distributed amongst the men, much as incels take a real complicated issue (loneliness and alienation). There can be no understanding if it starts from a place of fundamental misogyny. Thus any conversation that centres the Ratio becomes a red flag, whether it pedestalizes dommes (telling subs to beat out competition) or gets mad at them (accuses them of using their scarcity for power).

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  2. Too many people think relationships are a necessary part of life. If more people approached dating with an abundance mindset we would see better discourse.

    But the internet is a lightning rod for the poorly adjusted and unstable. So they colonize our spaces. Otherwise normal meeting places become zones for ridiculous ideas like “government mandated girlfriends”. That shit in real life would earn you a slap, but online its like a magnet for the weirdos.

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  3. I have to say, I’ve really longed for a domme partner but never felt like an incel. Very vanilla life this far but figured dommes were a bit rare and you’d be as likely to win the lottery as meet one in the wild.

    Definitely reflecting on this now.

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  4. Men and Women in general and on average are different, think differently, behave differently (whether biological or socialized that’s why this discussion will never end. Is that so hard for guys to understand? Yes MOST Women will never actually want to peg you, get over it. Yes MOST Men will never want to sub to you, get over it. Either find what you can, or just don’t. That’s life. Sorry your outlier tastes exist as an outlier compared to other people so finding what truly fits you is way harder. It sucks, I know. And guess what, submissive men are still men, dominant women are still women, so just crank up normal dating issues in the vanilla world to 11 and now everyone gets to complain. Fried ice for everyone all around!

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  5. Very thoughtful piece, thank you!

    I’ve started writing erotica and one of my least favorite stories I’ve written is about a male sub. I just didn’t feel like I wrote the character in a way that I could connect with. This has given me a lot of food for thought at taking a rework of the subject sometime.

    I definitely don’t want to directly talk about “The Ratio” or anything like that but its definitely got me thinking about how a male sub MIGHT be over pleasing if he was going through a dry spot or maybe it was his first encounter.

    Any advice on how I can add dimension through exploring this part of the power dynamic?

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    • It might help to start by writing the character sans gender and then seeing how adding a gender will change details of the character’s experience, after.

      What you could write about might be the role conflict around the stigma male subs face, if you setting is contemporary or has gender expectations similar to real life.

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